. >>> with me now is mike duffy and susan page and our cnn political analyst ron brown steen who has a day job. >> the at the national journal. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. from what we learned, we're going over this thing. >> we're either going over the fiscal cliff or the house is ultimately going to have to pass a bill that amajority of house republicans oppose. the most significant thing we heard was that from congressman latourette that john boehner wasn't wed to the rule that says the leadership won't bring a bill to the floor with a support of the majority from the majority. clooirts they don't overlap. there's no bill that can get a majority ofhouse republicans they would sign. either going over the cliff and have to pass a bill with the house. >> i thought we would have a deal maybe not a small deal and not a dig deal. i don't think na anymore and it's more likely going over the cliff. the effect of doing that on the economy and effect of the sense washington can't govern itself. thaetsd what we heard from republican house members and hear from the white house. it's